August 15, 2008
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A Matter of Life or Obama
Here I go. One of many more to come. Another reason you should consider not throwing your vote away by going with Obama, but it has to be said.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.”- Edmund BurkeYou can listen to the gibberish on the radio, listen to heresay on the media, but this is an actual woman who saw and heard first hand how Obama wants to treat children who survive abortion. He wants them to die. First-hand information that sounds more like a story on “Ripley’s Believe it Or Not.” It’s disgusting and incredible.
Several years ago, Jill Stanek was working in an Illinois hospital where she found that infants who survived a partial birth abortion were left alive laying in trash cans or sterilized tables, or utility rooms, etc until they finally died. One particular instance, Jill saw a nurse taking a child to a utility room. He was a Downs Syndrome child whom the parents did not want. They aborted him at 5 and a half months, but the abortion didn’t kill him. They did not want to hold him and sent him off to die. (After all, the parents shouldn’t have to suffer just because the doctor hadn’t successfully murdered the child.) The nurse carrying the child told Jill she didn’t have time to handle him. Jill took him and held the baby, comforting him until he died, a short 45 minutes later. Needless to say, this event turned Jill’s life around.
By 2003, Jill had become so involved in the pro-life community that she was asked to testify in front of the Illinois state committee who would approve or disapprove a bill known as BAIPA. (Born Alive Infant Protection Act) This bill simply states any child born alive after a botched abortion was a legal citizen with American and human rights, deserving of medical attention. Obama was part of that committee. Not only did he vote against it, but actually stood up and argued against her, saying he was afraid the passing of this bill would overturn the Roe V Wade ruling. However, an almost identical version of this bill was passed on a federal level and it did not overturn Roe V Wade. (the BAIPA bill was later passed in IL in 2005 after Obama left)
Hey Obama, Jesus called and wanted me to tell you something-
“It would be better to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone
tied around the neck than to face the punishment in store for harming
one of these little ones.”
-Jesus (Luke 17)NOW: I’m furious that one of the men on McCain’s possible Vice President list is a pro-choicer. Granted, he’s not as bad as Barack Infanticide Obama, but I stand with the bulk of the pro-life community when I feel violated by handing my vote to McCain and his possible pro-choice VP. I actually got to speak to the infamous Sean Hannity on his radio show this afternoon so I’ll pretend my voice has some clout.
“Dear John McCain,
BAD CHOICE. Stay conservative. Quit fooling yourself by claiming to be a Reagan conservative. You’re a liberal Republican who needs to get BACK to your conservative roots. We’re not voting for you because we’re blinded by your false conservative appeal. We’re voting for you to keep Baby-killer Obama out of the Oval Office.”I just got an email a few days before this little tidbit of gossip hit the air. It was from “Christians for McCain.” I wonder if he makes that decision, just how many will still be for him? I’ve gone rounds with my husband over just how influential a VP is/isn’t, but does it violate the principal of the matter?
“If I wanted to kill infants, but leave all the death row-murdersome inmates alive to mooch off my tax dollars, I’d vote Democrat.”
- Life_By_UsFor those of you who are visual learners, here’s a sum up video, via CNN:
Comments (27)
Wow, Life_By_Us, you got on the Hannity show? You’re just sooooo cool. (smirks)
You have backbone.
I love it when you get all fiesty! I heard Stanek on the air this afternoon. GREAT interview.
Why is our baby on your header?
YES YES YES! I loved LOVED loved your last quote. GREAT POST!!!
PS, I totally just got Michael Bolton. BOOYAH!
@avenuetotherealsbiggestfan -
Glad you like it. I’m here all week, folks!
I wonder if, maybe, all this may cause a third party candidate to be elected? A stretch, I know, but maybe we could find a real leader instead of another politician…
i have to say…even in USA the law is really out-of-dated…do you know what, in Thailand…abortion is ILLEGAL with no excuse except the pregnancy was too dangerous for mother that she might die or the baby was too maimed and couldn’t REALLY (see it has to be really can’t!) survive and all that problem would make they both died…or in other exception is if the pregnancy was result of rape.(even some women were raped and pregnant, they don’t harm their children just because it came in poor way)
and US law is even more out-of-dated when it comes to baby who survive abortion (or even not abortion) every baby who already delivery into the Kingdom of Thailand and …ALIVE even if it’s just one second, one hour or one day…IS already THAI CITIZEN and does have every legal right to be protected by Thai law…so if baby didn’t die by natural cause so who neglect, abandon, harm or kill them…will be committed CRIME for sure!
so do you see the point? i wonder why in “already developed” country’s law (or state’s law) still have to argue and re-think all and all? i’m not American so plz anyone could just explain it to me?? no offense to Americans…i just talk about WHO votes in your names to pass or not pass the law in government.
Obama really has that point of view…BAD
…most of Thai is Buddhist…we do not kill any alive figure as it’s one of basic precept that makes life everyone who’s human be good, moral and content people, to at least have (along with do not steal, cheat on their partners or rape people, lie and drink any alcohol or consume drugs(as it makes you don’t know what your doing..but we are not strict as Muslim.)….
…so the law i told you above is just came from our basis morality in our culture…as long as it’s ALIVE nobody has a right to harm or kill(we even have law about abusing dead people both physical and verbal!!). Killing is just inhuman and disgusting…especially when it comes to babies who can’t even defend themselves. No matter how long they were alive (in case of abortion) they were ALIVE nonetheless so i agree with BAIPA coz they tend to protect human right (don’t forget baby is human too) and it’s really the right thing…
if Obama wanted nothing to do with homeless and abandoned children (survivors of abortion or not) He better pays attention to the CAUSE of pregnancy (yeah, i’m talking about WHO made babies and didn’t want them!) He better had paid attention about education for next generation…research to know how to teach them to have fun with responsible! not blame it to babies…that’s just the result, you can’t solve problem at the result, right?
…and one thing…he’s not a god to decide if anyone could live or not! yeah, that comic strip is just right!
You are not a man of destiny, Obama!
i like that quote quite a bit — another one i like: “Evil is the abuse of Free Will” – C.S. Lewis. I always thought they went together because a person has to choose to do something awful, while another has to choose to ignore said awfulness.
May God forgive us as a nation. *sigh*
You do understand that reversing Roe v Wade or banning it does virtually nothing to stop it? I know a girl who’s friend perscribed her a herbal abortion and it actually worked. The recipe was so simple and seemingly safe that just the fact it exists scares me.
But I bet you pay no attention to China, who has more forced abortions a year than America has voluntary abortions. Every time you buy Made in China you are funding the non-sense of forced abortions. You might as well be making donations to abortion clinics.
Though if you want to cite the Bible, and claim Obama is to face punishment for a sin he has never committed (since when has Obama aborted any babies?), I suggest you read the entire Bible first. And I suggest you stop accusing Obama for sins he has not committed.
@bobbyduncan - I realize that America has become much to liberal to ever reverse Roe Vs Wade, and I also realize that even if it ever WAS reversed, women would still find a way to rid themselves of children they didn’t want. It’s been documented as early as ancient Egyptian times that women have found sharp sticks or various metal rods to jam inside their bodies to kill a baby. It’s not an uncommon practice. What is truly scary is the numerical increase of abortions since Roe V Wade passed. Being that they’re so accessible, the result of a one night stand can be corrected within days of the event. However, without, such easy access to abortion, I think women would become wise enough to keep their legs closed a little more frequently. Or use better protection.
Since you’re new to my site, you probably don’t know that I’m pro-organic and fair trade. I very rarely buy anything that isn’t home made/organic or American. Even if that wasn’t the case, I don’t live in China. If I did, I’d see what I could do to discourage these actions. (although futile they may be from an all-pervasive government.) The fact remains, we live in a democracy-run country. We are blessed with freedom of speech. My right is to say I have a religious and moral dilemma with abortion and I’ll raise awareness of abortions and infanticide until I die.
You really didn’t touch the main point of this article: Obama stopped a ban to protect living breathing children who survived abortion. Hospitals have an obligation by law to keep a human being alive. This is true for elderly, young children, teenagers, etc, regardless of ability to pay. Why shouldn’t these same laws apply to a baby who survived the doctor’s attempt to suck their brains out before they took their first breath?
@starrynite45 - I totally agree with you. Unfortunately, America calls itself a country of rights and freedoms. What we fail to notice on many occasions is that in many circumstances, our rights and freedoms can impede on others’ rights and freedoms. Such as babies. A woman has the “right” to abort a child. But then she doesn’t believe the child should live if it survives because she didn’t want it in the first place. SO rather than the hospital putting the child up for adoption, Obama wants it to die.
We live in an amazing country, but any country run by humans will come with flaws.
i don’t find it fair when either sides labels someone in a radical way, like you have Obama as a baby killer. he has his own views on what he found right, as perhaps he was looking at the overall picture and the US Laws.
granted this issue is very sensitive to everyone, but having a you vs me mentality in today’s American politics doesn’t really get us anywhere. both sides have their own hidden agendas, as guess what, it’s politics and the race for power.
@life_by_us -
As I said previously, Thai women even have the right to abort it but it’s the limited right…if not limited all woman who doesn’t want it would claim they have a reason to do…hell, but needless to say, even it’s illegal people still can find the way to do it anyway. So sometimes i think…”why the fuck we fight about this?”…we have to admit we could only save some and we lose some, it’s just the way the world always be…but as I am a law student..born into the law family…so i’m proudly to say that I am one of people who will protect any right in the right way…
@doraemonxo -
so true…i agree with you..it’s just politics and they both have “their own hidden agendas” same here as in Thailand (and see, it’s going to hell right now coz they only have “their own hidden agendas” as you said) actually, i’m sick of politics stuff but from my POV it’s kinda reflection of my country…USA’s is just…better scene lol…Thailand is a crap now if you may know…after the a coup d’ etat here last two years..i can say i was one of the first people in country who knew it that night coz my friend who’s soldier IM-ed me before he’s off to the King’s palace! and secret behind that is they want to finish “their own hidden agendas” without even pay a penny for election lol how fuck up!
@life_by_us - Always a pleasure to meet another fair trader and organic loving consumer.
Now, if I were in Obama’s position I would have done it differently. But thats me, I would do lots of things differently than both candidates. The real issue, the real problem here, is that nothing on the books defines when a human life is a human life. This arguement all ends when that is officially established. Until that is officially established, it is the doctor’s descretion. Doctors don’t have to perform the abortion, its their own choice.
Barack Obama is only acting to uphold the Supreme Court, otherwise this act would have been overturned anyways. By definition, if America was too liberal this act would have been overturned, since the conservative stance (by definition) is upholding this act. So Obama is being conservative on abortion.
The pro-life movement draws its strength from its claim that you cannot draw a line to which a child’s life “begins” and that it is never okay to end a child’s life no matter what the reason. The passing of this act in fact not only draws that line at the point of actual birth, but it also undermines the pro-life idea that the woman’s right to chose should not override the child’s right to live. The act states that the child should be saved if the abortion fails, therefore giving priority to the choice of the mother over the child. You should be happy Obama opposed it, this bill completely undermined the fundamentals of the pro-life movement.
@doraemonxo -
@bobbyduncan -
What you both don’t seem to understand is this: The law was not intended to overturn and pro-choice measures. It specifically said it was not trying to make abortions illegal. The Baipa law I mentioned is just what the title says: Born Alive Infant protection Act. If a poor woman has a baby in an alley because she can’t make it to the hospital in time and someone calls the paramedics, it is the EMS’ job to preserve life and limb of the baby. The baby is defined by law as a living breathing human being from the moment it breathes. I know pro-choice folks won’t state when the baby is considered a “child” and in my Christian conservative stance, I believe it’s from the second of conception. I believe that’s when a soul is present.
However, the ENTIRE point of this post was the arguement that the parents decided they wanted an abortion. Okay. They had the abortion. Okay. Labor was induced, the doctor stuck a syringe in the child’s head before it came out of the mother to suck it’s brains out so it couldn’t get the “human-defining” first breathe of life. Okay. The doctor must’ve aimed poorly and missed the brains. Okay. The child was born, alive and breathing. Okay. Here’s the question: shouldn’t the living breathing child then have rights to live? It survived the abortion. It was far enough along in the pregnancy that it could successfully survive on it’s own. However, since the mother didn’t ever want the baby and had attemted to kill it before it had the chance to live, the doctor let it lay on the table until it died on it’s own. It starved and froze to death. (without heat and immediate blankets, a newborn will freeze, even in temperatures as warm as any office building.)
The only thing Obama is accused of is voting against medical attention (warmth and blankets) for a child who does not die from an abortion and is old enough to survive on it’s own. I do take comfort in knowing the bill was later passed, after Obama left Illinois. It is also a bill used on a federal level and does not take away pro-choice rights. I would sue any hospital that didn’t give my newborn warmth and it ended up dying. Why is this any different?
@life_by_us -
I’ll have to ask you honestly, putting politics aside. As Obama professes to be a one of Christian faith, do you think he really intends kill babies?
I am sure he had underlying reasons on why he voted against the bill and is not a “Baby-killer.” I haven’t heard too much about this, but I did see the clip of a post interview with Obama after his discussion with Pastor Rick Warren. He mentioned something about how he is being misrepresented in that vote and he was in alignment with the Illinois medical board (don’t quote me on this, as I can’t find the transcript of that interview).
I just have problems when such hard language is used to “demonize” a candidate. Both sides of the issue need to be take a look at very closely. And when political talk shows shows favor exclusively to one side, it does not allow for this up-close discussion but to assert the predisposed views of the audience.
I’ll leave with this article on Rick Warren’s speech on trying to reconcile politics and religion. In that speech, he states, “Just because you disagree with someone doesn’t give you the right to demonize them.”
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/index.php?p=953&c=1
why can’t i find the “recommend” button on this page? people need to read this post.
hey, not to worry… i reloaded and was able to get the rec button to show up.
@PhilippiansThree14 -
SO glad you enjoyed my opinionated side. =)
@doraemonxo -
Okay, I’ll concede that if Obama were not running for president, and was standing in the operating room, I would sincerely hope that he would not have let the doctor set the baby in the trash to die until the other nurse came to remove it. I pray that there’s not a soul in the world who would have done that. (aside of course from the doctor who actually *did* it)So I will reform my statement that he himself is a “baby killer.” It’s a harsh word. I suppose I should have stated he just votes like one.
Obama does claim that he stands by the Illinois board like you mentioned, but I personally have a negative stance on this man due to his incessant flip-flops on comments. (Don’t get me wrong. McCain has CERTAINLY done his fair share of “changing his opinion.” I’m not thrilled with him, either.)
It’s just convenient that 5 years ago this woman gave testimony in front of him, begging the committee pass the bill to give medical treatment to babies born alive after abortions. Here’s the actual form he checked “no” on. http://www.jillstanek.com/final%20vote-thumb-500×323.jpg (Column two, means “Do pass amendment”) He now states that if he had been in a voting position for the federal version of this bill, he would have voted in support of it. But why did he vote against an identical version of the bill on a state level?
I respect and appreciate your answer and responses.
I don’t agree with Barack Obama on abortion either, but I also know that the President has never had any affect on this issue. A pro-life President has been in office for 20 of the last 28 years and the Supreme Court has not changed enough to even come close to changing Roe vs. Wade. Not to mention the fact that history has shown Presidents often think they are nominating a judge who thinks one way and get one who thinks another way. I would rather vote for Barack Obama (full disclosure: I am not even old enough to vote in this election anyway) and accept that I differ with him on one issue that he is unlikely to affect, than vote for a man who fully intends to immerse America in a state of perpetual war. Killing is killing. “You have heard that it was said to your ancestors, ‘You shall not kill; and whoever kills will be liable to judgment.’ (Matthew 5:21) Why do you ignore the mass killing that John McCain supports? In additon, I would rather vote for a man who intends to support mothers, especially poor mothers who are most likely to get abortions, as opposed to one who belongs to a party that tells them to drop dead, but don’t think about an abortion. I would, ultimately, rather be pragmatic about the issue and vote for the man who will actually have policies that may actually reduce the number of killing of all innocent people.
I love, love, love they line with which you ended your post. I’ve even heard people go so far as to say Obama is the Anti-Christ, which is, in my opinion, probably not ture, it’s amusing nonetheless!
I will definitely be stopping by more often! Cheers!
@Hathaway_Lane - So glad you liked it. I love having visitors with common sense. Don’t be a stranger!
great post! if you don’t mind, i’d like to copy this and email it to some friends and family members. we need to get the word out about Obama!
@sweetmumbleb -
Not a problem at all~ For convenience, there’s an “email button” right above the comments section where the stars and recommend buttons are.Glad you liked it!