September 26, 2008
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I’ve got a bracelet too!!!!!!!
WOOT!
Obama has a bracelet!
I’ve been siting here watching the debate (which I’m very glad was able to happen) and my husband and I are in giggle fits. Oh dear lordie lou.
Obama seems to be bickering more than debating. All I can see is him arguing with kids on a playground, “Nuh uh! Well, I said that, but you said this! See!! SEE!??!”
On the other side of things, McCain’s very low on personality. His speaking points are very bland in his tone of voice. However, his points are viable and fantastic.
My favorite comment between the two was McCain saying, “I’ve got a bracelet from a mother of a fallen soldier who said ‘Don’t let my son have died in vain.’”
Obama’s immediate bickering response was, “Well, I’ve got a bracelet too!” *checks name on bracelet* “Um, it’s from -said name- and she said….etc”Has anyone else noticed that twice now Obama has called McCain by the wrong name?
He’s called him Tom and Pat. What’s that about?!?
Enjoy the show.
Comments (12)
“Let us win, we don’t want our kids coming back here” – McCain quoting soldier’s thoughts on the war. I love that quote, so true.
bllllleeeeeeeeehhhhhh! petty and boring on both sides. (yes, not the most intelligent comment ever, but dang it, i’m drained!)
Oh my Amanda!! I couldn’t wait to get online and see what you had to say!! I watched a whole twenty minutes of the fiasco and finally turned to another channel, and then another, and then another…it’s on them all!!! I got sick of watching them both (O.K., Obama way louder than McCain) bash each other, I went and baked muffins for our big Boy Scout popcorn kickoff tomorrow. But, I knew you’d have some great comments about it all. I will turn in tomorrow for more from you because I was really hoping to glean some sort of insight from the debate. I am pretty sure I already know who I am going to vote for (and, I bet it will surprise you…), but am not totally convinced yet. Thanks for always keeping me laughing!!! Love you always, Brandi and gang in Montana
hahah i noticed that about the names.
“All I can see is him arguing with kids on a playground, “Nuh uh! Well, I said that, but you said this! See!! SEE!??!”"
.. that was such a great way to sum it all up hahaha
haha…it didn’t sound like a president candidate’s debate! but it was more likely a playground when kids whining over who had a toy or not! lol
I almost choked on the Coors Light I was drinking when he actually looked down at his wrist to check the name, (and I think check to make sure he remembered to put the bracelet on…). Yeah, I was drinking a beer. I didn’t have any tranquilizers nearby to allow me to be able to handle watching Hussein without taking my repressed redneck shotgun out and killing Bambi while I prayed.
Okay, so it’s pretty obvious that the debate wasn’t polite enough for anyone to view it objectively. But damnit, I tried. (This may sound odd, but I really prefer Obama more for the fact that I’ve encountered way too many McCain zealots.)
So, I watched the last half hour of the debate. Babe, they were both arguing. They were both talking over each other, contradicting, and saying, “Nu uh! I didn’t do it! You did!” One word – Kissinger. Sure, I’ll be interested in who was “right” but McCain was beating a dead horse on that one, even after Obama clarified that what McCain was arguing about was invalid. Also, what the heck are preconditions?
McCain has experience – wow, yay! But is it necessary to give a personal vignette (or two, or three) for every single question? Because I’m tired of him reminding us how old he is. I agree with Obama more on his view of improving the world’s opinion of America, and I think his non-focus on only Iraq is a good thing. Need I remind you – we’ve had many good presidents (Washington, Lincoln, Truman… Kennedy, if you think that way,) who have not had very much national political experience.
As for the name thing… I thought Obama was speaking to the moderator.
i still will not discuss this race, no comment on that. hey, what was debbie from coastal cookie/the candy bins’ last name?? sarah has her as a friend on the myspace, i tried to send her a friends thingy, but it askes for her last name as a security step.
how are the babys?? how is the dew, and the bunny??
Is the bracelet thing a problem? It didn’t sound problematic to me but honest. Giving a bracelet is not uncommon. I didn’t find it funny. If anything it seemed almost to me as if Obama was calling out McCain on his obvious showmanship by telling a pointless tear wrenching story rather than sticking to the significant issues at hand. Those kinds of silly stories are what ruin debates honestly. I wish both candidates had left their damn bracelets at home.
Both candidates bickered a lot, that’s absolutely true. This is largely because both candidates lied and misrepresented the truth as you can see from any fact checking website. From what I could tell though McCain was looser with the facts then again that might just be my bias speaking since I’m more familiar with the truth of positions Obama has held whereas I haven’t studied McCain as much. If I am correct though, that would explain why Obama seemed to be more argumentative. He definitely seemed to want to correct every little thing McCain said. I think that’s a good thing though. I’d rather the debates were setup though in such a way that a neutral entity could correct the candidates on their facts in real time and challenge them. That’d make a much more interesting debate.
The name thing the quote was: “Tom — or John mentioned me being wildly liberal.
Mostly that’s just me opposing George Bush’s wrong headed policies
since I’ve been in Congress but I think it is that it is also
important to recognize I work with Tom Coburn, the most conservative,”
This is a fairly standard debating mistake. His mind started to formulate the thought about Tom Coburn and he accidentally said “Tom” first. A simple slip of the tongue that anyone could have done and that anyone who has followed debates has seen dozens of times. It also happens in interviews fairly frequently. It doesn’t mean anything except that Obama is not as experienced at debating as McCain yet. Then again that’s hardly surprising given their difference in ages. It’s certainly NOT an attempt at slander.
I don’t know about the Pat incident. It wasn’t in the transcript of this debate so I assume you are referring to another incident in the news that I must have missed.
McCain outright lied on two of his strongest points during the debate. One was his assertion of earmarks going out of control saying that they tripled. Here’s factcheck.org: “special appropriation “earmarks.” He said they had “tripled in the last five years,” when in fact they have decreased sharply.”
The other he repeated over and over again as he asserted that Obama’s plan for immediate withdraw was hated by the generals and would lead to disaster and all that nonsense. But of course Obama never has had a plan ofr immediate withdraw and none of the generals have asserted anything of the kind with regards to *Obama’s* plan. However, they do say that immediate withdraw would be a disaster. No surprise since they are military people and they are talking about their pet projects. If Obama HAD supported immediate withdraw I would be much more enthusiastic about voting for him actually. But alas since he doesn’t I think he’s just the best of two mediocre options.
That said both candidates acquitted themselves well even though the debate format was stupid and silly and I’d be far more confident having either of them as president than the nightmare presidency we are currently living through. Their vice presidential candidates however are another matter altogether. I don’t like either of them AT ALL which is scary since if comedic programs and rumors are to be believed the chances of McCain dying in office or Obama being assassinated are pretty damned high.
I think that presidential debates are just an excuse for adults to act like they are still in highschool. lol
Hmm…. I see your “tom” point now. I hadn’t put too much thought into it. The Pat name calling was something my husband heard. (I was in the lady’s room.)
Honestly, if the bracelet-tear jerking story was unnecessary with McCain, why did Obama follow suit? Why not just call him out on it saying, “I don’t need a sappy story to make my point clear”? (I would’ve if it were my standpoint… but then again, I’m told I’m a bit of a jerk.)
As far as the immediate withdrawal from Iraq goes, the troops over there disagree with an immediate withdrawal. They have no “pet projects,”(I’m certain I can’t speak for them all.) they’re just selflessly giving of themselves. (although they hate having to be apart from their families) My husband just got back from the Kuwait/Iraqi border. While he was there, he was run over by an insurgent who was posing as a military member.(he had a bad leg for a few months.He’s better now.) The terrorists are still attacking our men and women on a regular basis. The war didn’t start on 9-11-01. It’s been going on for over twenty years. They’ve been at war with us whether we’ve been fully aware of it or not. I really believe our work isn’t done until those generals say it’s over. (And if ANYONE wants our boys home, it’s ME!!)
As far as my opinion on McCain/Palin, let me assure you, my love… It’s PURELY pro-life. Regardless of what Obama says, I’ve seen his signature on voting against the BAIPA bill. I’ve heard his argument against it on tape. (It’s all public record.) That spells infanticide and I’m a primarily a conscience voter.
Meanwhile, you’ve argued your point in a pleasant and respectful manner. I appreciate your ability to do so without profanity and anger.
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OK I agree with you that the bracelet statement was kinda silly. It was a mistake on Obama’s part. Although I think he did a good job over all of presenting his points, I think he did too often follow McCain’s lead rather than trailblazing himself. Too often he said things like “McCain is absolutely right”. That’s silly. I mean it’s magnanimous and nice to acknowledge when your opponent is right which he was sometimes, but sometimes it gets ridiculous.
I expect many of the troops disagree with immediate withdrawal. But some I’m sure do want to withdraw and get the hell out of there. In any case, although their opinion should be listened to, they don’t have the broadest perspective. They see what they see. But historically our presence in the Middle East has been a huge cause of the problems we are experiencing today. And there’s no indication that our presence there is reducing the strength of Al Quaeda as a whole, although it is clearly working at stabilizing Iraq which is a good thing since we destabilized it in the first place and have a responsibility to clean up our own mess. Still, I don’t believe we need such a huge troop presence to help clean up Iraq. We do not need to occupy Iraq unilaterally. Rather a UN initiative would make a lot more sense and be a lot more fair.
Still, the point is Obama doesn’t support immediate withdrawal either. He agrees with the troops and the generals and always has. He disagrees with me just as does McCain. But McCain tried to make it seem as if Obama wanted immediate withdrawal which is just false.
Yeah I can understand being against Obama when you are pro-life. Although McCain was pretty pro-choice for a Republican before he started pushing further right to court conservative voters, but there’s no question that he is further toward the pro-life side than Obama and Palin is clearly Pro-Life.
I’m pro-choice, but to me there are lot more important issues than abortion right now. And on most of those other issues I tend to disagree with both Obama and McCain but I lean more toward Obama.